Migrating Your SQL Applications To & From the Cloud


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thanks for that golly so on yeah so my

name is Kevin Hill again cloud solutions

architected NetApp and today we're going

to talk to you about how you can like

migrate your sequel applications well

your application data to the cloud and

how you can leverage cloud on top for

your sequel applications in AWS as part

of a agenda we'll have a quick overview

of the data fabric in the hybrid cloud

definitely touch on the EPS cloud on top

and also cloud manager but mostly we're

going to try and focus on the sequel

databases on top of cloud on top and

leveraging a couple of our products

specifically stamp manager for sequel as

well as snap Center and we'll do most of

that in the demonstration so going ahead

and getting started data fabric and

hybrid cloud so some of you who've

attended or attending may have seen this

already but for those of you have not

this is kind of depicting a

representation of the cloud in how to

prospective perspective out in the

industry so typically divided into three

different categories private cloud or

maybe on-premises data center now

they're slightly different also cloud

service providers these are effectively

our partners who base their offerings

off of net of technologies and then you

also have the hyper scalar pod providers

that's Amazon Web Services that's

Microsoft Azure IBM SoftLayer Google

platform whomever actually is out there

offering those easy to consume services

out in the cloud but what happens is

these are typically silos of data you

know it's very hard to go ahead and link

them together

now it's you're kind of stranded or

locked in in one shape or fashion well

our theory are our vision for the data

fabric is to enable you to go ahead and

link all these together seamlessly and

provide you the ease and the free

movement of your data and having your

data next to the cloud resources that

make the best sense for you and also try

to avoid any sort of lock-in another way

to look at this is because any hybrid

type of fast

so hybrid cloud resources I'm sure all

of you have heard the phrase I'm going

all in on the public cloud and it turns

out that they're almost online or maybe

they went all into the public cloud and

realized for either regulatory reasons

or maybe some compliance or maybe they

have some data sovereignty issues or

maybe it was just an expense you know

maybe the optics model is too much more

expensive than the Catholics model so

they actually had to come back out well

again our data fabric allows you to turn

that knob in the middle as you see fit

use the resources that make the best

tons for you have your data where you

need it when you need it and also don't

be afraid that you're locked in with a

decision you can change that knob

whenever you want now looking at what we

have to offer for our products and

services on the bottom you can see all

of our products now these are all

available to you in a private cloud or

in your traditional data center it's

also what our service providers use but

you know if you want to take advantage

of our product with the cloud that would

be the cloud in the left hand corner

that's the NPS for cloud net a private

storage that's where you have a net up

storage system more than likely in a

colocation facility as an example we

partner with Equinix

and what happens there is that you get

the best of both worlds you have your

storage systems which you're used to but

also connected to the cloud of your

choice you can also have that data on

your storage systems connect to multiple

clouds at the same time this way you can

move to a different cloud provider

without having to move your data but

where we're going to focus on today is

really cloud on top which is over in the

right hand corner cloud storage so we're

going to be talking about cloud on top

in AWS and how that's going to help meet

your needs for your sequel application

so talking about cloud management cloud

on top quickly this is a representation

of cloud on top you know in AWS this is

where if you're familiar with AWS we're

actually using an Amazon machine image

you know a an ec2 instance elastic cloud

compute their virtual machine and we've

installed our number one storage

operating system on top of that

so it's the same exact storage operating

system that works on the physical

systems that we saw and this is

something that's actually very important

because this allows you to go ahead and

take advantage of our enterprise class

data management in the public cloud so

that way the EBS storage that we receive

when it covers the elastic block storage

from Amazon we can use it in a much more

efficient manner you know we have our

thin provisioning our storage

efficiencies we have deduplication you

know we can actually allow you to use

effectively use the storage better than

you could natively in the cloud you know

also with Flex clones which I'll show

you with one of the demonstrations you

can get an exact duplicate of your data

for your database or your application

without consuming any additional

capacity and I'll show you those

efficiencies a little bit later but most

importantly to is that you have

multi-protocol offered from the cloud on

top system so not only do you get the

block but you also get the file services

with NFS and sips and since it's on top

you know we have our snapmirror and

snapvault replication technology so you

can easily replicate data into the cloud

and more importantly back out and again

because of those scores efficiencies

it's a much smaller amount of storage

that you'd actually be transmitting out

if you choose to do so and like with all

of our products we have different

management products management's a

portfolio on command suite where we have

system manager unified manager on

command insight workflow automation but

we also have cloud manager and cloud

managers what we use to manage our

resources it's also what we use to

deploy cloud on top I'll show you in

just a minute where you can actually use

cloud manager to deploy a system quickly

and easily I'm not going to focus too

much on that because I want to try and

get more into the meat of the sequel

applications on top of pad on top but

I'll show you how easy that is and the

thing that's nice here is again minutes

you can deploy a new cloud on top system

what roughly you know if you're used to

the cloud manager I'd say you can

actually launch a new system in under a

minute and it takes roughly 20 minutes

for cloud manager to deploy the AWS

resources and configure on top but once

it's done it

fully configured system that's ready to

serve storage out to your Amazon compute

instances or act as a destination for a

snappier replication from one of your

physical systems and then it's a simple

click and drag process and I'll show you

that too so talking about sequel

databases on cloud on tab now why would

you do this

where's the benefit for you to try and

use cloud on tap for sequel rather than

native EBS or RDS well basically again

it comes down to our storage

efficiencies now we can be much more

cost efficient and cost-effective for

you and because of our thin provisioning

and deduplication and flex clones you

know you can effectively consume a lot

less storage than you would natively in

the public cloud you can also avoid any

over-provisioning because if you think

of how much you're going to grow you

ain't need to need to accommodate that

right up front so you might have to

allocate a lot more storage than you'd

like to in order to handle the expected

database growth well with our storage

efficiencies and we can go ahead and

allow you to grow as you go so by using

volume resize auto corruptions and you

can ensure that you're never going to

get to a problem where you're running

into an i/o air because of running out

of capacity the other Parsons mentioned

snapmirror or snapvault again replicate

from your physical resources up to cloud

on top or back from cloud on top down to

your physical resources now and the

other thing I think is really not

highlighted enough is the data

protection pieces because the

application integration that we can

achieve with map manager for sequel and

also snap Center we can get application

and transaction consistent snapshot or

recovery points for your databases in

their application that's not something

you can natively cloud you know there's

typically restoring from a snapshot and

then rolling forward logs well with snap

manager suite that's a thing of the past

because of the full-on integration that

we have so omission snapmanager for

sequel so this is a little bit of a

representation there it's an application

that we use it's something that we've

had for quite a while so we have snap

managers and snap drive those integrate


not only the operating system on your

host but also through the application in

the database down through to the storage

so we can actually help you with the

primary storage but we can also

replicate and reference to a secondary

site so it depends upon how you want to

do things you can actually use that for

a dr capacity as well and then snaps

enter so snaps enter here this is I want

to say an evolution of our snap manager

product so where snap managers are

deployed for each of the individual

hosts snap Center can act as a

centralized area a consolidation of your

databases and your backup schedules so

you can identify several backup policies

and role based access control to a

centralized snap Center server and then

be able to see many different storage

systems many different hosts many

different databases and manage them all

in one centralized repository and I'm

going to probably book as more on the

demonstrations for snap Center but with

that let's go and get started let's

switch over first thing we want to do

though I'm going to come over into a

browser just to show you a little bit of

how you get a cloud on top and cloud

manager so what I've have here is just

the AWS marketplace now when you come

into the aid of this marketplace just

search for cloud on top and then you get

a list of a few different items so you

get cloud on top for AWS you get cloud

manager for AWS well cloud manager and

then you end up subscribing to both

unlike other a Mis and Amazon you

wouldn't launch cloud on top directly

from the marketplace but you didn't have

deploying cloud manager to go ahead and

launch and deploy cloud on top I also

want to crack one of these open and

scroll down a little bit so later on if

you look at you're interested in finding

out more information for money finding

more resources these are great links for

you for finding documentation or looking

at some instructional videos on how to

do things with caught on top and also

see a little bit more about the sequel

Intergraph integration that we're doing

going to be showing you in just just a


but coming over to my other to my ec2

console let me go over to my cloud

manager system this is something I've

already have stood up you know creating

a new working environment creating a new

cloud on tap system is very easy I can

go through that in just a second but I

have two different systems here two

different cloud on tap systems so I also

have a physical system this is my

another private storage system where

I've replicated my log I'm sorry my

loans from my physical system where I've

gotten sequel 2014 installed and I've

replicated that up to my cloud on tap

systems if I want to go and create a new

contact system I just need to go through

the wizard I'm just going to go through

this very quickly as for sake of time

and I really didn't prepare I'm doing

this so I can pick a time in front of

security I'll say done for now I

understand information in my environment

so let's select my virtual private cloud

I'll leave these are the defaults

because this is where my cloud managed

system is installed I'll just pick a

standard version that's fine this is

support you know right now I'm going to

skip that because I can provide some

information about cloud on top so

password and I'm going to leave the

default and then I can choose to create

a volume or not and in this case I'm

since I'm just trying to do this quickly

I'm just going to skip that here's my

review page what the system I'm trying

to install you know the information

about the networking a couple of

confirmations if I want support all

cloud on top systems come with support

but I need to I know I need to register

if I want to get support and I

understand the cloud manager is going to

deploy resources in AWS so I accept that

I click on go and that's it that's all

it takes to launch a new system so

there's no procurement there's no

finance there's no shipping there's no

rack stack our ping pipe configure you

know in roughly 20 25 minutes this is a

new system that's going to be up and

running now I've already done that with

a couple of different systems and what

I've done

is a replicated epic sequel to I have it

replicated a couple of things here I've

have a sequel data I also have some

clones there that I've done I will do

some more cones in a second I also have

a sequel log so those are things that

are replicated from my physical system

replicating from my physical system to

another cloud on top system I'll go to

sequel 1 here is a simple click and drag

process and here I can go ahead and you

can select the volume that I'd like to

replicate from my physical system I'm

going to search for the storage virtual

machine I want and let's just say so

sequel logs so this is my test drive

sequel log volume it contains my one

confirm let's see continue what I want

to call for the demo I'll leave the

defaults here I have some Advanced

Options so if I want to take a different

aggregate on my destination system I can

only have one or if I want to use some

throttling for the smear transfer I can

do that too but I just need to continue

pick a mirror or snapvault I'll just

pick a mirror and my schedule and we

want to do this one time I'll do that

and just a review again I'm going to

create a volume on cloud manager so let

me go and click on that click on go and

that's all there is to it the

replication is started now if I want to

say anything about the replication I can

come up here to replication status but I

know that that will actually go start

the replication in just a minute and

things will be going so actually here it

is this is my sequel logs and it'll take

care of initializing this map may

transfer and doing all the tasks

underneath the covers now coming back to

look at my work we're in working

environments this is data so this is the

data that I'm moving I'm moving my vlogs

and my my logs in my data one and what I

don't show you here is the story of the

compute I've stood up a sequel I've

stood up in Windows 2000

12 server and with sequel 2014 on top of

it and then I made these ones visible to

that system and then I just simply

attached that to my sequel 2014 server

so going over to my sequel server so

this is my sequel 2014 system I'm on

Windows 2012 r2 what I'm showing you

here is the representation of those

lumps within system manager so this is

the same pod sequel one system we just

replicated the other one too

I've got a temporary one here I've got

my snap info on for snap manager my date

alone my log long and just to show you

what that looks like a little bit in

snap drive and snap manager I look at

snap drive snap drive has the

interaction with my operating system so

it can help understand what storage is

it receiving from NetApp so I look at my

disks I can see that I have my data one

I might log one and I might have my

stamp information ok perfect that's


get them to half now if I go and look at

my sequel server I can look at the

database that I have attached and it's

my adventure works database so that's

good if I pull it snapmanager for sequel

I can see I can do several different

things here so expand this a little bit

so my server is when sequel oh one I can

do some backups and I can also do some

restores so this is where I can actually

identify which database to backup I only

have the one here so I can select this

one and then you go through the wizards

or actually maybe go through a

PowerShell window so because of a power

cell interaction and then use the

command line here I like power cell just

because it helps me automate things now

I've already taken a few backups if I go

look at my restore again we came from

in short database I can look to see if

but what kind of backups I have all

right come on I do have a video backup

but I'd rather not go to it so here's my

local backups and this is something I

took earlier today so with the backup I

want to show you how easy it is to do

actually a restore so to come back over

to my sequel server whoops

get out of that I'll go and take this

offline offline ok good and I'm going to

go delete their data for this database

actually and it's storage this is where

I have it mounted that's my data line

and adventure works so I'm going to go

delete and it's gone so I wouldn't

recommend doing that but you know it's


so I don't have any data I can't bring

this back online but with snap manager I

can go through and go through the

restore wizard and go through the

different steps now that's easy I also

do want to just show you again the power

shell window version so here's my power

shell window I actually have something

to use just simple here so this is the

command I want to copy so again it's

pretty simple restore my backup I've

identified my server it's one sequel oh

one I wanted to restore my database

event or zero and restore from the last

backup those kicked that off now the

thing that's nice here is backups

explaining those a little bit is that

you know when we do a backup be a snap

manager or from snap Center it will go

through and do several different things

you know it will restore their last net

up snapshot for the log and the data

ones in those volumes but what other

things are happening is for sequel you

know backup will go through and ensure

that all of those transactions are

flushed to disk it will also ensure that

the the the database is put into

effectively a hot backup mode so we

ensure there's transactional consistency

once the backup is done you know the

database is taken back out of hot backup

mode and then made online for continual

processing so while I was talking the

restore of that backup has completed so

that's good if I come over and look at

my run again come on

so I look at note storage my dat'll on

my adventure works database is back if I

come back and look at the snap manager

actually let's go and refresh our look

at sequel server I see that my inventory

day works adventure works database is

back online

perfect that's exactly what we wanted

now I'm going to show you a couple other

things but I'm going to switch over to

snap Center go over to snap Center so

here snap Center let me login when the

logging is excuse ER and here um snap

Center I like I mean I like it a lot I

only have one database ER or one host I

should be adding more for for future

demos but um I don't think I'm myself is

only getting used to this but I stood

this up because it's more relevant it's

something or its consolidation of many

different databases within one area

there is role-based access here so you

can definitely identify who has access

to which resource but here I've added in

a little so here's my one sequel oh one

system I also have the other storage

system here so I'm going to go and pick

that I've got my cloud equal to system

and I've got my one school one and this

I just want to show you is the I scuzzy

connector between my Windows host and

then my storage system so that's that's

how they can communicate and if I look

at my inventory right here I see I've

got a couple of different things I've

got my primary database I actually have

two clones so again those rapid clones

that storage efficiency you know and

ensuring that I can play around with


loans without impacting my primary

database I can see also that they're

identified as clones here but let's say

I wanted to play around and do something

more let's do it let's do another one

because I want to try and do a different

test so I select my adventure works

database I'm just going to give a clone

back up and from here I'll just go

through the wizard this is the backup

that I took yesterday

now corn server from the drop-down if

you multiple there they'd show up here

only have the one it knows the instance

and provide a suffix that I want to use

so I'm going to do I'll do clone 3 or

maybe not 1 3 so and I can also choose a

specific mount point if I want or I'm

just going to let it auto assign and the

database again adventureworks

I'll choose a all logs that's good and

if I have any pre or post scripts I want

to run against my data I can I don't

have any for the purposes of this demo

and who do I want to notify so I want to

send an auto support to you NetApp for

this do I want to make sure that this is

logged on the storage system actually I


and do I want to send email so in this

case I could but I'm just going to skip

that for now and then just to verify you

know what's going on let me go ahead and

finish this and that will kick things

off so we have our notice the clone from

backup has started I can go look at the

monitor for this job and here's the

entry I can see that it's running I can

look at the status of what's going on by

expanding that and I can see there's

doing a lot of different things it's

already cloning the resources the

framing file system the application

clones and that's it that's all it takes

to call in this database this database

is roughly a 200 gig database and then

around 100 gig of locks so that's how

quick it was to go ahead and have an

exact duplicate copy if I come back over

to my datasets here

wait my inventory

I should see I've got my third clone

perfect now what does that look like

within my sequel server a log back in go

to my databases and then I see I have my

adventure works on one clone two and

Crone three now if I want to go play

around and I will quickly I just look at

the tables let's just say I'm making

some changes I want to try and get rid

of woo I'm doing a little ishes I'm

going to go through and delete my pay

history and that's gone so I'm also

going to do and delete my department

history okay those are gone okay these

are self-contained I'm actually making

changes to this clone it's not impacting

my primary copy

so if I come look at my adventure works

database come over tables I can see that

I still have my payment history and also

my department history so the other thing

too that you can do with snap Center and

with also stamp manager I could have

actually made this crone available to a

different sequel server a different host

I don't have another configured right

now but that's also something very

possible now I've created these clones

what this looks like actually on the

storage system if I go back so that was

on my cloud sequel to system now what I

have here I've got several different log

volume I'm sorry several different data

volumes this is my gold data those are

my 300 gig volumes and I see a 1 2 3 4

ok the names here are going to be a

little long but this is really the date

and time stamp tool and it's a clone I

also have several different log ones so

log volumes so here's the 200 gig

Williams I want 1 2 3 4 so good this is

all the all the allocations here or

being referenced as roughly two and a

half terabytes worth of data you know by

iCloud on top this is what it looks like

that I'm consuming so if I go look under

the covers and look like what my data

aggregate configuration is

I can look to see that I only really

have a one terabyte EBS volume

supporting all of this so again that's

our storage efficiencies in action we're

being able to go ahead and leverages in

a lot better fashion than I would have

to do with straight-up

EBS the thing that's nice about this is

that that reduces the charges that I

normally have to do with any BS so if I

wanted to do this in straight ABS I'd

have roughly 2 and half terabytes in

order to do it and again this makes this

makes better sense as we end up

leveraging it more so with that let's go

back over and I also want to try and

talk to you about where is this

applicable who's using this well we work

with a customer out of the UK according

group and they had a challenge where

they had a lot of acquisitions so they

had a lot of consolidation to do as well

as trying to go to the cloud and they're

trying to move their sequel database

applications up into RDS and they're

having some challenges with it it was

working ok but they're having some

server issues they're using an older


you know architecture they are also

facing changes and procedures and they

were having challenges with their work

staff to have who's working on premises

whose work in the cloud it's just not

the same what do we do there they're

having lots of heartache well intercloud

on top now Gordon group is a net up shop

you know they were using snapmanager for

sequel so hey this made perfect sense

let's launch cloud on top let's go ahead

and you know boot mule migrate our data

via snapmirror let's go ahead and use

that manager and see how it works and it

worked flawlessly

you know mate because it's the same

operating system you know so that way

they're able to go ahead and reduce

headache reduce the total cost of

ownership being able to accommodate

their both their consolidation as well

as their migrations to cloud and use the

same people to manage both their on

premises and their cloud-based resources

so they're extremely happy with how well

things work a little bit about their

architecture you know when they've

replicated up into Amazon and in AWS

they're actually in the East Eastern

European West I'm sorry Western European

region so EU s and within that region

that for high availability they have

on tap system and one availability zone

and one in another availability zone and

connected to their hosts and then also

for dr purposes they replicate over to

EU central so they're very happy with

how easy it is to manage not only their

data but their sequel applications in

the cloud you may have seen it when I

was talking with through the marketplace

earlier cloud on tap is has a 30-day

free trial so you would not receive any

net up charges for that if you wanted to

go register and some subscribe to caught

on top I do need to point out that you

know you will be launching it of is

resources so AWS resources target still

do apply but once you subscribe you'll

have 30 days with no net up charges and

with that we can start to go into the

cube some of the Q&A; I haven't really

seen the questions pop up because I was

paying more attention to the


one thing I do want to note is that site

in the middle if you go to cloud Netcom

you can definitely find out more

information about cloud on top as well

as not a private storage and all the

well but um golly can you tell me if any

questions came in yes absolutely

presents thank you so much

great presentation let me dive into

these questions we can keep our time

question one I'm like rumbling this

correctly you've shown how to move my

SQL data to the cloud what about using

MySQL servers to the cloud this cloud

manager helped me move my servers

Wow okay yeah it's a that's a great

question the short answer is no that's

not something that cloud manager can do

cloud manager is really for helping

manage your hybrid cloud data so for

cloud on top or your physical on top

systems either net a private storage or

on-premises to move your database data

to the cloud you know in my example I

actually had to deploy my own Windows

2012 system and I also deployed the

system that had sequel 2014 on it and

once that was there it was easy for me

to use the snap manager or snap Center

products to go ahead and pull the

database data

over that way as far as four options the

the only thing that comes to mind right

now and this is not an endorsement but I

know they do a really good job is cloud


they help with migrating a lot of things

from your virtual hypervisors into

Amazon the other thing that I have done

myself is that I've exported some VMware

OVA s and imported those myself but

that's those are I'd say more brute

force kind of options but short answer

no that's not something we don't move to

compute for you was there another

question okay yeah I'm going to move to

the next question you showed how I can

let you take my SQL data into the cloud

how would I get my data back out of the

cloud uhand view so how do you get your

data back out about so um I could put I

could switch over to the other and I

could switch over to the context re

cloud manager system but the short

answer is you know that click-and-drag

process I showed for migrating from the

my NPS system up to the cloud it's the

same process

you simply do a click and drag from your

cloud on top system down to your

physical resource be it not a private

storage be it you know on premises and

then you identify the long as you want

to move now that's what cloud manager it

you know you don't have to use cloud

manager for that we make it an easy

process if you're a familiar with how to

manage net up storage you could use

system manager you can use your own

script you can use command line you can

use workflow automation those are all

very viable and you simply use either

snap manager or snapvault to move your

data out of the cloud ok I'm going to go

to the next question why is why mehtap

relevant like metal relevance in the

public cloud so um that's also a really

good question um I know that when I've

talked to people about NetApp and AWS a

lot of people ask why you're a storage

company well yes we do have storage

but more than that were they we're an

enterprise class data management company

that's where we focus that's where we

thrive we've been doing it for 20 years

Amazon's got a lot of great stuff one

thing that they're still I want to say

evolving is their data management

capabilities you know we bring storage

efficiencies that they that they don't

we have application integration through

the data stack and in the strip through

the storage layer where they don't you

know we can actually help bring much

more efficiencies to use and consume

less public cloud storage than you would

natively so there's a lot of things that

we can do to help you understand your

data because at the end of the day the

data is really the most important thing

you know you lose your compute not good

stand it up and then reattach your data

you lose your data you know you might be

losing business losing customers or

losing your job so I guess I guess to

follow it up then it makes that may

prevent that so at least helps make it

less likely that will happen then when I

hit on a dump I'm going to go um here's

an interesting one is their plan to do

this with Azure well we have as your

support so oh great question that kind

of leads into some of our futures the

short answer is yes we are actually

working on Azure right now caught on top

trouser and that's something that's

going to be available in the summer time

frame that I can't really give a

specific date but yes we will have a

cloud on top like you have today in AWS

that will be available in azor as well

okay great another question I think

that'll be our last one so we don't go

beyond the 40 minutes we want to be

sensitive to everybody's time can we use

this solution to go from on-prem to AWS

or do we need that up storage or Equinix

so can we use this solution

so - can you repeat that for me please

can we use this solution to go from

on-prem to AWS or do we need men of

storage on Equinix so that's actually

almost this so - - a couple of different

advances yeah there is extremely similar

your what your what the question kind of

implies is do I can i replicate from

on-premises up to nano private storage

or can i replicate from on-premises up

to cloud on top well actually showed you

um slightly different I showed you

replicating from meta projects towards

to cloud on top what the process is

effectively the same yes you can rough

it so long as it so long as you're

actually you have your on top systems

yeah you can replicate from on-prem to

mps you can replicate your data from UM

from up in the cloud on top you can

replicate you know from con on top back

down net private storage back down

depending upon where you need your data

and again that's kind of the basis and

our vision for the data fabric get your

data to the resources that make the best

sense for you for some customers use

cases it's going into the cloud one

specific use case caring think of well

the customers doing their primary

processing in the cloud you didn't have

a lot of storage but the data egress and

the mobility or being able to replicate

out of the cloud was very very hard

until caught on fat came into play for

them they didn't get when it attached to

the you know nnf it was an NFS mount

they went head and push their data there

and then that way they were able to

replicate it back down to their

on-premise systems so they can view run

their business analytics oh yeah you can

you can definitely replicate up to MPs

order clot


golly I'm not sure if you're on mute was

there any other question we wanted to

try and field or are we going to wrap up

hello I I can hear you now I okay I was

just connected sorry about that there's

one question I think we should answer

it's about licensing we can maybe on a

very high level at the blandest

explained a few options so the licensing

maybe yeah the question is we want to

move our on term databases to AWS what

do we need to buy in terms of Licensing

so maybe we can touch the two options

touch on the two options

so yeah it's it there's there's a couple

of options there so when you if you're

going to a cloud on tap system cloud on

tap system includes almost all feature

licenses so for doing the replication of

data you don't need to buy any

additional licenses you just need to

have the player cloud on top system but

on top wind up having the licenses for

snap manager and snapvault it'll have it

the licenses for NFS sifts and I scuzzy

it'll have her snap restore is all the

different things you need in order to go

ahead and replicate the data to the

cloud now the one thing that's actually

not deployed automatically on the cloud

on tap system is the manager licenses so

for working with your database data and

doing the the integration like I showed

in the demos you would need to deploy a

snap manager license for your hosts and

to be able to connect to your cloud on

tap system and that's something that you

can work with your nana prep in order to

procure vo and actually ID I would be

remiss if I didn't mention that there's

also two kinds of on tap licensing

models when it's pay-as-you-go where you

just subscribe and - via the marketplace

and then launch the Paigey bill model

from cloud manager the other option is

if you know that you're going to use it

for a while and you want to take

advantage of for more of a cost savings

because you're going to be using it for

quite a bit you can purchase a bring

your own license license for caught on

top that's where you would pay a work

with your rep picker

a license for cloud on top and then when

you launch cloud on top you deploy to

bring your own license model apply your

license key and then at that point you

have no net up charges because you've

already paid for a license and then

you're just subject to the AWS resources

okay great thank you so much Kevin was

it for that out of time so we're going

to end now and we want to thank

everybody for dialing in and listening

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thank you again and we look forward to

seeing you on a other webinars and in

your future have a good day thanks