So to really be confident in anything, it takes experience. Practice makes perfect. Effectual's executive team has 20+ years in cloud...before it was called cloud, when it was called "colo." They transitioned into cloud. Then they did away with the historical data center physical model of a data center, and they just strictly focused on consulting services around the public clouds. It's a cloud-first security-first approach. So whatever you do, application modernization it's always a cloud-first and security-first approach. Can be security-focused, managed services, DevOps, whatever it may be. Effectual, has 200-250 AWS certifications and stands alone as a consulting firm, it's the premier consulting partner, the government competency. Those two are for AWS is Migration Competency for AWS. And then there's the VMware Master Services Competency. Those four combined, there's no other consulting firm that has those. You need hundreds of people in your firm to all be certified, to all reach certain levels of expertise to achieve those. And then it's just how Effectual attacks any cloud project...with extreme confidence.